{"id":2546,"date":"2025-10-21T21:13:54","date_gmt":"2025-10-21T18:13:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/an.magicworld.com.ua\/?p=2546"},"modified":"2025-10-21T23:09:02","modified_gmt":"2025-10-21T20:09:02","slug":"rozmova-z-andriyem-kozinchukom","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/an.magicworld.com.ua\/en\/emotionality-en\/rozmova-z-andriyem-kozinchukom\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversation with Andrii Kozinchuk"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/profile\/magicworld\/embed\/episodes\/--e38112q\/a-ac59hi1\"> <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: Andrii Kozinchuk on emotionality as the strength of Ukrainians, burnout and emotional control \u2734 Archetype of the Nation\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/2x7hRzgRpbtfRL4zAFDWiJ?si=nWhOOt5nSFeq2dBI-nohnQ&#038;utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Guest of the episode: military psychologist and deputy commander of the engineering and sapper company for moral and psychological support within the engineering support group of the 67th Mechanized Brigade, Andrii Kozinchuk.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Valerii Markus on justice, struggle, and leadership \u2734 Archetype of the Nation\" width=\"1102\" height=\"620\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/BVFx0k9tfDc?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Transcript of conversations<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Greetings. I\u2019m <strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong>, and this is <em>Archetype of the Nation<\/em> \u2014 a cultural project that explores the foundations of Ukrainian national identity: what we were, what we\u2019ve become, what we have, and what we can be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We search for answers in folklore, as well as in conversations with prominent representatives of our nation. Today, our guest is <strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong>, a military psychologist and officer of the 67th Brigade.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Good afternoon, Andrii.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hello.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Each episode of our project is dedicated to one of the values that characterize the Ukrainian people. Today, I\u2019d like to talk about one such value \u2014 <strong>emotionality<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While studying Ukrainian folklore, we came to the conclusion that emotionality is one of the defining traits of Ukrainians. It manifests in the sincerity of feelings, the tendency toward deep emotional experience, and the sensitivity to beauty, kindness, and suffering.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This idea of the superiority of spiritual\u2013emotional knowledge \u2014 knowledge of the heart rather than purely rational thought \u2014 has become a key worldview paradigm for Ukrainians, shaping our way of thinking, feeling, and acting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In your view, what is emotionality? How do you personally understand this concept?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Emotionality isn\u2019t about Ukrainianness first and foremost \u2014 it\u2019s about the primal feelings that help us survive, and then live. They\u2019re inherent in everyone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There are no people without emotions. There are just those who are more or less expressive. For some reason, we believe that Finns or Germans are less emotional, and Italians or Spaniards are more emotional.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But in truth, everyone feels. Emotion is a part of being human.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Take anger, for example \u2014 it\u2019s an emotion that helps you survive or drive away an enemy, both for humans and for animals. Joy, too, is an emotion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can\u2019t hide emotions; they\u2019ve always found expression \u2014 in art, in revolutions, in liberation struggles. All of that stems from emotion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Emotionality often wins over rationality \u2014 for better or for worse. Psychology doesn\u2019t label it as positive or negative. It just is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No matter how rational you think you are, emotion is older and stronger. From a neurobiological perspective, the limbic system \u2014 the part of the brain responsible for emotion \u2014 lies deeper than the rational one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, the roots of our emotionality go deep into our history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Of course \u2014 into history and even deeper. And it\u2019s not just something historians can describe; neurobiologists and evolutionary scientists could tell you even more about why humans \u2014 and Ukrainians \u2014 feel this way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There\u2019s also an old concept called the <em>philosophy of the heart<\/em>, which you\u2019ve probably heard of \u2014 from Hryhorii Skovoroda. Simply put, it\u2019s the belief that feelings prevail over cold logic, and that this is particularly true of Ukrainians. Why do you think that is?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If we look at it psychologically, emotions can\u2019t be hidden. You can suppress them \u2014 but not hide them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For example, you come to work in a great mood. Everyone else is serious, and you walk in all cheerful \u2014 <em>hooray!<\/em> They\u2019ll all instantly dislike you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s the same in the army \u2014 you\u2019re expected to stay \u201cin formation.\u201d So you suppress it, but your eyes still smile. You\u2019re happy inside, and it shows.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And sadness works the same way. You come to a party but carry your quiet, Ukrainian sorrow inside. You can smile, but it\u2019s not real.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019ve always been an expressive, communicative nation \u2014 it\u2019s in our nature to feel and show.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No matter what you do, your emotions will show through. Freud himself said it\u2019s impossible to hide emotions \u2014 and Ukrainians prove that every day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you\u2019re gloomy, people will try to cheer you up. If you\u2019re joyful, it radiates.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can see it in our culture too \u2014 it bursts out through music, through performance, through art. Even watching official meetings \u2014 parliament, government \u2014 you can read emotions straight off people\u2019s faces. You don\u2019t need to be a psychologist to see it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Whether it\u2019s disgust, fear, joy \u2014 or complete detachment \u2014 it\u2019s all visible. Emotions simply can\u2019t be contained.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ukrainians are often described as more emotional than northern Europeans, but less than southern peoples. Do you think this emotionality is a weakness or one of our strengths?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I wouldn\u2019t call it a strength or a weakness \u2014 it\u2019s our <strong>distinctive trait<\/strong>, passed down through generations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For example, northern nations are colder \u2014 literally and emotionally. The warmer the climate, the easier it is to express yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019ve lived in a moderate climate and had a history that shaped us into being moderately emotional \u2014 expressive, but not excessive.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Take funerals, for example: women \u2014 especially grandmothers \u2014 openly cry and express grief, while men stay reserved, silently sad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And psychologists note that this affects longevity \u2014 Ukrainian women live longer; men, shorter. Women express emotions; men bottle them up. That\u2019s not good or bad \u2014 it\u2019s just reality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019re learning to express emotions more openly now, but our genetic memory still shapes how we feel and show it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You won\u2019t see us bursting into tears or laughter on the street \u2014 but neither will you find the kind of emotional repression you see in colder cultures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In Ukraine, people are less likely to shame you for showing feelings \u2014 though they might still do it online.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They\u2019ll say things like, <em>\u201cDon\u2019t show off \u2014 he\u2019s just come back from the front and posts a picture at the lake with his wife once a year.\u201d<\/em> There are always those emotional \u201chunters\u201d \u2014 critics \u2014 who pounce on others\u2019 feelings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But we\u2019re emotional because it\u2019s in our nature \u2014 shaped by climate, history, the economy, and most of all, <strong>culture<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Culture mirrors what\u2019s happening inside us. And paradoxically, the darker our times, the brighter our culture shines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When culture is suppressed \u2014 that\u2019s when things are truly bad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Even in the hard 1990s \u2014 with chaos and economic collapse \u2014 there was still culture, still art, still songs in Ukrainian.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yes, there was pressure to sing in Russian to \u201cbroaden the audience,\u201d but the core remained.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, when I look back at performers from the 1990s \u2014 I realize it still sounds fresh and alive. Because it was <strong>sincere<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And sincerity \u2014 that\u2019s the essence of emotionality. Trends fade, but sincerity lasts forever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You mentioned the funeral rite and our emotionality around it. I recently watched a video by a British woman living in Ukraine \u2014 she compared our culture with her own and said Ukraine\u2019s funeral traditions left a big impression on her. In Britain, people don\u2019t normally show strong emotion about death, but here, funeral rites and mourning are built into our culture. If we look at folklore and belief, the cult of ancestors is very strong \u2014 prehistoric, even \u2014 and the funeral practices reflect that. It seems our emotional responses to death trace back a long way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here\u2019s an interesting point. I get a lot of messages from people when someone close to them is dying. For example, my dad was diagnosed with cancer. People will write, \u201cHe\u2019s dying \u2014 help, support, what do I do?\u201d And afterwards I\u2019ll hear: \u201cI\u2019m worried because I didn\u2019t cry enough at the funeral. I didn\u2019t suffer enough \u2014 what will people say?\u201d It\u2019s like we\u2019ve been conditioned to believe that funerals require a certain quota of tears. If you don\u2019t meet it, people start to worry about you \u2014 \u201cAre you a sociopath?\u201d \u2014 which is ridiculous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There\u2019s this expectation: you must weep, and you must do it properly. I\u2019m not suggesting we turn funerals into a spectacle \u2014 not that we need clowns or extra instruments \u2014 but there is a cultural pattern.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I haven\u2019t done deep cultural studies on how many funeral songs we have, but there are definitely marches and laments. My first marching song was in the Kyiv Military Lyceum \u2014 it was essentially a funeral song about two Cossacks, one rich and one poor. So these expressions exist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Our attitude toward death is shaped by history: sudden deaths, wars, raids \u2014 people often died unexpectedly, not only of old age. That unpredictability influenced how we grieve and remember. Religion and inherited rituals also shape this. If we have a pronounced attitude toward death, it makes sense that our attitude toward life should be equally conscious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Right now I get many calls from folks worried about the \u201cfear of death\u201d turning into a \u201cfear of living.\u201d At the start of the full-scale invasion, a lot of people were afraid to enjoy life \u2014 to dance, to listen to music, to laugh. They felt guilty or worried they might be judged. People would avoid upbeat things out of fear of being accused of insensitivity. I wrote on social media that it\u2019s normal to feel joy, fear, worry \u2014 and that you should allow yourself small pleasures. Eat a chocolate bar. Do something small that brings you joy. People seemed to need permission.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Emotionality also shows in how official institutions behave. When people go to government offices \u2014 to get a passport or a certificate \u2014 they often expect emotionless, businesslike bureaucrats. But you\u2019ll sometimes find a cheerful clerk, telling jokes, or an older woman crying because of the war. Some systems want a neutral, standardized demeanor and struggle with emotion. When people suppress their anger or frustration at bureaucratic obstacles, that unprocessed emotion builds up and later erupts in unhealthy ways.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So when I work with people, I encourage them not simply to bottle things up. But don\u2019t take that to the extreme \u2014 I\u2019m not telling someone to throw a chair at their director. The point is to manage emotions, not ignore them or act destructively.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you\u2019ve had a terrible day and are full of anger, don\u2019t take it home and unload it on your family. Find a controlled outlet: yoga, running, a long shower, a workout. Everyone is different \u2014 some people need a marathon, some need a quiet walk. Science and common sense tell us emotions are biological. Each basic emotion \u2014 joy, sadness, anger, fear, disgust \u2014 triggers hormones and bodily reactions. If you suppress them, they accumulate and affect your health: psychosomatic symptoms, skin problems, anxiety disorders.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So it\u2019s important to recognize your emotions and let them out in safe, controlled ways. Learn to be happy in small things: notice the sun, enjoy clean clothes, savor a moment. These small practices matter, especially now when many people have slept in subway stations or shelters. Expressing small joys is not selfish \u2014 it\u2019s a part of healing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There\u2019s also a point about channeling emotions constructively. Historically, humans fought for survival with rage and fear \u2014 we were hunters, fighters. Today we don\u2019t need to fight saber-toothed tigers, but the impulse is still there. Transform anger into sport, fear into meditation, grief into creative work. All of this \u2014 emotional regulation, expression, and transformation \u2014 ties closely to creativity and to living a fuller life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Exactly. We\u2019ll get to creativity later today \u2014 but speaking of emotions, it\u2019s really about learning to live with them and manage them so you don\u2019t regret your reactions later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Right. Here\u2019s another useful thing. For any emotion to arise, a whole chain of events has to happen. Take fear, for example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Your brain has to <em>register<\/em> fear \u2014 maybe from an air raid siren, a loud noise, an explosion, or even just a thought. Once that happens, your brain signals your adrenal glands to release adrenaline. Adrenaline floods your system \u2014 your pupils dilate, your muscles tighten, your body gets ready to run or fight. It\u2019s a massive biological and psychological process.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Then some \u201cwise\u201d person tells you: <em>\u201cNever be afraid.\u201d<\/em> And your brain goes, <em>\u201cExcuse me? That\u2019s not how this works.\u201d<\/em> You can\u2019t just switch fear off. It\u2019s hardwired into us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Imagine a 15-year-old kid who\u2019s lived all his life in a big city \u2014 suddenly he\u2019s taken to a village for the first time. Uneven roads, goats everywhere, strange animals he\u2019s never seen \u2014 he\u2019s scared! But fear can be managed through understanding. When you learn what you\u2019re dealing with \u2014 say, that a goose isn\u2019t a monster but a perfectly normal bird \u2014 the fear loses power.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The main thing is not to bottle it up. It would be great if we learned this from childhood, but many of us were taught that expressing emotions is \u201ctoo much.\u201d Overly emotional people scare others \u2014 but honestly, I\u2019m much more afraid of people who <em>don\u2019t<\/em> show emotion at all. They\u2019re ticking time bombs. Emotional people, at least, are predictable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And when it comes to expressing emotions \u2014 have you ever regretted showing yours?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Of course. Many times. Usually when I blurt something out at the wrong moment. Like cracking a dark joke at a funeral \u2014 definitely not great. Or breaking down at a party because life suddenly feels overwhelming \u2014 also not ideal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">These things happen because we\u2019re human. And sometimes it\u2019s about social context \u2014 knowing where and when certain emotions are appropriate. In some circles, it\u2019s terrifying to show vulnerability, so you overcompensate \u2014 acting tough just to prove you\u2019re not scared.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s like when someone joins the army and starts preaching about love and compassion to battle-hardened soldiers \u2014 it doesn\u2019t land. You can\u2019t tell a miner that coal is \u201cbad for the environment\u201d when he\u2019s spent his whole life working underground. You have to speak from within his world: \u201cHey, you\u2019ve got experience and strength \u2014 here\u2019s how you can use that in a new way.\u201d That\u2019s emotional intelligence in action.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Managing emotions isn\u2019t about \u201cnever holding back\u201d \u2014 it\u2019s about expressing yourself <strong>consciously and effectively<\/strong>. For instance, one officer I knew discovered corruption in his battalion. He confronted his superior honestly \u2014 and got fired for it. What he said was true, but it wasn\u2019t effective, because he expressed it in the wrong environment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s how emotions work too. You need to know <strong>where<\/strong> and <strong>how<\/strong> to express them. Some settings are open and safe; others are rigid or professional \u2014 where outbursts can backfire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019m great with the \u201cmiddle level\u201d of people \u2014 those who are hands-on, down-to-earth. It\u2019s harder for me to connect with elite circles, because emotional expression there follows very different rules.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When I tell middle-class folks, \u201cBe happy \u2014 buy yourself something small, enjoy it,\u201d they get it. But in high-control bureaucratic environments, it\u2019s harder. I even got <em>advised<\/em> not to interact with inspection authorities \u2014 because I can\u2019t keep my emotions hidden.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Even when I try to be calm and constructive, it often backfires \u2014 because people there mistake sincerity for defiance. In the U.S., when someone\u2019s under review, inspectors usually come to <em>help<\/em> them improve. Here, oversight often feels like punishment. That\u2019s a big emotional difference.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But over the past five or six years, I\u2019ve learned to manage it better. I can still \u201csing in my soul,\u201d as I like to say \u2014 but in safe spaces. That\u2019s crucial: <strong>emotional safety<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When you feel safe, you can express emotions freely. When you don\u2019t, it\u2019s much harder.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And that\u2019s a big question for Ukrainians right now: <em>Do you feel safe enough to express what you feel?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some might say, \u201cThen everyone should just go abroad.\u201d But even abroad, safety is not guaranteed. Many who left didn\u2019t do it because it was easy \u2014 they just hoped to feel less fear. But emotional challenges follow you anywhere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So it\u2019s really about different levels of emotional safety.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And since we mentioned saber-toothed tigers earlier \u2014 today we have more ways to talk about emotions instead of fighting them physically. But how do we actually learn to <em>talk<\/em> about what we feel?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There are some useful recommendations \u2014 and communication itself has evolved a lot. These days, people rely much more on <em>verbal<\/em> communication.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the past, we expressed emotions mostly through facial expressions or gestures. Some people could speak eloquently but looked completely detached \u2014 like saying \u201cI love you very much\u201d while their face clearly said, <em>\u201cI can\u2019t wait to get out of here.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now we\u2019ve moved into a new world \u2014 the world of emojis, reactions, and messages. Someone once asked me, \u201cWhy do you always end your messages with a period? Are you mad at me?\u201d I said, \u201cNo! My Ukrainian teacher would\u2019ve scolded me if I didn\u2019t.\u201d But apparently, a period now means passive aggression.<br>Okay \u2014 maybe I\u2019m just old.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, this is all about emotions and how we express them. Many people now hide emotions behind screens. Some turn their silence into <em>passive aggression<\/em> \u2014 that\u2019s when you expect others to \u201cguess\u201d why you\u2019re not talking. That\u2019s actually a form of psychological violence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, to start learning how to express emotions, the first step is <strong>diagnosis<\/strong>:<br>\u201cWhat am I feeling right now?\u201d<br>Am I glad? Am I sad? Am I scared?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And here\u2019s where we run into a very Ukrainian problem: many of us were raised to <em>deserve<\/em> joy. We\u2019ve inherited this belief since childhood \u2014 that you can only be happy after you\u2019ve earned it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You know, \u201cYou\u2019ll get new sneakers when you behave well,\u201d or \u201cYou can go to camp only if you help in the garden.\u201d It\u2019s the classic <em>Cinderella upbringing<\/em>: before you can dance, you must clean the whole house.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So as adults, we carry this same logic \u2014 \u201cI deserve to go to a restaurant,\u201d \u201cI deserve new jeans.\u201d But happiness shouldn\u2019t be conditional. You don\u2019t <em>earn<\/em> joy \u2014 you <em>need<\/em> it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Think of it like charging your phone. Does a phone need to \u201cdeserve\u201d a charge? No \u2014 it just won\u2019t work otherwise. It\u2019s the same with us. Joy fuels us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So when you eat a shawarma and enjoy it \u2014 don\u2019t ruin the moment thinking, <em>\u201cI\u2019m fat anyway.\u201d<\/em> Just enjoy it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The key is <strong>awareness<\/strong>:<br>\u201cI\u2019m sad. Why? Something happened.\u201d<br>\u201cI\u2019m scared. Why? Something worries me.\u201d<br>\u201cI\u2019m angry. Why? Because this person hurt me.\u201d<br>\u201cI\u2019m disgusted. Why? Because someone failed to protect me.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Before you show emotion \u2014 acknowledge it. Say, <em>\u201cThis is what I feel right now.\u201d<\/em> That alone makes it easier to handle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fear, for instance, is biological. You\u2019re not \u201cunafraid\u201d just because you say so. I\u2019ve served in the military since 2014 \u2014 through several stages of the war \u2014 and I\u2019ve never seen anyone walk into combat smiling, \u201cOh great, another mission!\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No \u2014 fear is natural. What matters is turning it into <em>functional fear.<\/em><em><br><\/em> That means: <em>I\u2019m afraid \u2014 so I act. I prepare. I move. I check my gear.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Once you name your emotion \u2014 \u201cI\u2019m afraid,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m angry,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m happy\u201d \u2014 your entire system aligns, and it becomes easier to handle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some emotions, like <em>horror<\/em>, go beyond control \u2014 when you receive devastating news, like a parent\u2019s diagnosis. In that state, you can\u2019t think straight. You just survive it until your hormones settle. Then, when you can think again \u2014 you must ask for help. For yourself, not just for others.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Learning emotions starts with <strong>recognition<\/strong> \u2014 something we\u2019re rarely taught as kids.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019ve seen a little boy, maybe five years old, fall, scrape his knee, and start crying. His mom rushed over, not to comfort him, but to scold him: <em>\u201cYou should\u2019ve watched where you were going!\u201d<\/em><em><br><\/em> So now he\u2019s hurt <em>and<\/em> feels guilty. That\u2019s how emotional repression begins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So first, learn to recognize your own emotions. Second \u2014 remember you live among other people, usually ones who love you. And they can\u2019t read your mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you\u2019re happy and your partner says, <em>\u201cYou\u2019re smiling, but your pants are torn,\u201d<\/em> they\u2019ve just killed the mood.<br>If your partner feels bad after work and just wants a hug \u2014 but you\u2019re the type who wants solitude when upset \u2014 you\u2019ll misunderstand each other.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Two people, same emotion \u2014 different needs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s why you must <strong>teach your loved ones<\/strong> what to do when you feel a certain way. Say it directly:<br>\u201cWhen I feel bad, please don\u2019t touch me \u2014 just give me space.\u201d<br>Or:<br>\u201cWhen I\u2019m down, please hug me and don\u2019t talk \u2014 just be there.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This clarity is a form of love.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because when emotions hit, others often feel powerless. They <em>want<\/em> to help but don\u2019t know how. And you <em>can<\/em> help them help you \u2014 by explaining.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, talk. Don\u2019t hint. Don\u2019t expect people to guess. Say what you need \u2014 and ideally, say it <em>before<\/em> the next emotional storm. Because it will definitely come.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You once said in an interview that emotions are most visible during war. And since you\u2019re a military psychologist, people come to you with many of them.<br>What kinds of emotions do you usually see?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Often I tell them: \u201cYou all sit here at headquarters, but your soul \u2014 your <em>ass<\/em>, as we say \u2014 is still at war.\u201d Because when you\u2019re emotional, it\u2019s exactly the time you need to stay rational.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See, the brain has several parts \u2014 the rational, the emotional, and what neurobiologist Paul MacLean back in 1955 called the <em>reptilian brain<\/em>. That\u2019s where our most primal emotions live \u2014 the raw, instinctive ones.<br>Not just joy, but <em>bliss.<\/em><em><br><\/em> Not just fear, but <em>terror.<\/em><em><br><\/em> Not just anger, but <em>rage.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Those emotions appear in extreme situations \u2014 when your survival instincts kick in. They\u2019re not bad; they\u2019re necessary. But not everyone experiences them in the same intensity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Take, for example, a mother at her son\u2019s funeral. If a mother is burying her son, he\u2019s likely still young \u2014 maybe in his forties \u2014 and she\u2019s much older. That pain can\u2019t be reasoned with. You can\u2019t tell her, \u201cDon\u2019t cry, everything will be okay.\u201d It won\u2019t. He\u2019s gone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In such moments, my job as a psychologist is not to <em>stop<\/em> the emotion, but to <em>keep it safe<\/em> \u2014 to make sure it doesn\u2019t harm the person or anyone nearby.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For example, when a soldier is furious \u2014 maybe over injustice, confusion, or losing friends \u2014 he might punch a wall. He\u2019s not crazy; he\u2019s releasing pain. But instead of breaking his hand, I\u2019ll hand him a pillow: \u201cHere, hit this. Scream if you need to.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I\u2019ll think to myself, <em>Thank God he\u2019s yelling at me, not at his wife or kids.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s my role \u2014 to accompany, not suppress. You never tell someone, \u201cDon\u2019t be angry,\u201d or \u201cWhy are you laughing so loudly?\u201d No. You stand beside them and help the emotion move through safely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">War amplifies everything. Soldiers, veterans, displaced people, those who\u2019ve lost loved ones \u2014 all live with trauma. You can\u2019t \u201cunderstand\u201d their feelings, but you can protect them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If someone cries \u2014 don\u2019t rush to stop them. Don\u2019t shout, \u201cCalm down.\u201d Offer a glass of water. Stay close, but don\u2019t touch unless invited. Ask gently, \u201cWould you like a hug?\u201d<br>And if they say no \u2014 respect that. Comfort only works when both sides want it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">War is chaos. Whoever can create <em>order<\/em> within that chaos \u2014 wins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Emotions, though, often fight with rationality. Picture four soldiers deciding to storm a village alone \u2014 emotional impulse, zero strategy. They go \u2014 and get captured or killed. That\u2019s why calm, rational leadership is critical.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A good commander must stay clear-headed, even after losing dozens of men. That\u2019s not coldness \u2014 it\u2019s survival. Commanders sometimes seem cynical not because they lack empathy, but because they <em>need<\/em> that distance to keep functioning.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My work often involves helping them hold that balance \u2014 to think clearly in chaos, without losing their humanity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And yes, emotions are loud on the battlefield \u2014 the shouting, the roaring, the laughter. It\u2019s all part of staying alive. I\u2019d actually love to see how our top leaders \u2014 the Commander-in-Chief, the President \u2014 process their own anger or fear. I\u2019m sure they have them. But what we usually see publicly are their controlled, heroic versions \u2014 and that\u2019s necessary too. Society needs strength.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, I\u2019ll say this: there are <strong>no bad emotions.<\/strong><strong><br><\/strong> There is no such thing as \u201cnegative.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Anger, fear, sadness \u2014 all serve a purpose. The problem starts when we suppress them. Ukrainians are especially guilty of that \u2014 we don\u2019t rest, we <em>distract<\/em> ourselves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We tell ourselves, \u201cNo time to relax, keep pushing.\u201d And then, when exhaustion hits, we crash. We call it \u201crest,\u201d but really it\u2019s collapse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We don\u2019t rest <em>gradually<\/em> \u2014 like going for coffee, taking small breaks. Instead, we explode at weddings, go all out, regret it later when we see ourselves dancing like maniacs on YouTube.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So one of our main tasks now \u2014 as individuals and as a nation \u2014 is to learn how to release emotions <em>in doses.<\/em><em><br><\/em> To rest little by little, not only when we\u2019re already burned out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That detachment you mentioned \u2014 it\u2019s probably connected to the emotional burnout so many of us are experiencing now. How do we deal with this burnout?<br>You even have a course on that, don\u2019t you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yes, I do. We developed it quite a while ago when we started noticing just how widespread burnout had become. It\u2019s not a disease, not a diagnosis \u2014 it\u2019s a <em>state<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Historically, burnout was first observed among people in <em>helping professions<\/em>: volunteers, doctors, priests, aid workers \u2014 people who give of themselves to others. They help someone, feel better for a while\u2026 and then crash.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But today, we\u2019re <em>all<\/em> in helping professions. You might be a salesperson, a designer, an accountant \u2014 but you still pay taxes, you probably have a relative or friend in the army, you support them emotionally or financially. So yes, we\u2019re all burning out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And here\u2019s the paradox: <strong>burnout is impossible if you never burn.<\/strong><strong><br><\/strong> But we \u2014 we <em>burn<\/em>. We\u2019re passionate. We care. We fall in love with life, with ideas, with projects. We throw ourselves into new work, new businesses, new causes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s the beautiful and dangerous part \u2014 when you burn brightly, you eventually burn out. Because you pour all your energy into others \u2014 your job, your relationships, your duty \u2014 and leave none for yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And when that happens, simple joys start to disappear:<br>\u201cOh, I never finished that book.\u201d<br>\u201cI haven\u2019t seen my friends in months.\u201d<br>\u201cBarbecue? No, I\u2019m too busy.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You live like that for a year, maybe three \u2014 and then you collapse. Add war, grief, illness, constant stress \u2014 and the system just shuts down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You have no energy left for yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">People think they rest by scrolling through social media, watching hundreds of Reels a day. But the brain interprets each short clip as a separate event \u2014 that\u2019s 250 emotional micro-shocks a day. No wonder you feel exhausted. You\u2019re <em>not<\/em> resting; you\u2019re overstimulating your nervous system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And then at work \u2014 endless intensity. You come home, and instead of unwinding, you pick a fight, because your mind still needs some kind of discharge. That\u2019s not rest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And the guilt \u2014 \u201cI\u2019m not at the front,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m not doing enough,\u201d \u201cMy neighbor just started a business, and I\u2019m wasting time.\u201d No matter what you do, it feels like failure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A researcher friend of mine \u2014 brilliant woman, doing international studies on bullying \u2014 once said, \u201cI feel guilty for not being at the front.\u201d<br>And I told her, \u201cYou\u2019re doing something most people <em>can\u2019t<\/em> do. Keep doing it.\u201d But even she burns out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So what\u2019s the solution? <strong>You have to become a therapeutic egoist.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No matter what \u2014 <em>you come first.<\/em><em><br><\/em> You can\u2019t build or save anything if you destroy yourself in the process.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019ve seen it so many times: the best volunteers from 2014\u201315 \u2014 where are they now? Many disappeared, left, collapsed, lost faith, burned out completely. Because they gave everything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At some point, the mission became more important than the person. \u201cI won\u2019t rest, I can\u2019t stop.\u201d And soon everyone around starts saying, \u201cAsk Kolya, he never says no.\u201d<br>And then Kolya breaks down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sometimes that ends in depression, PTSD, addiction, or simply walking away from everything. That\u2019s why it\u2019s crucial to leave even a small piece of your day \u2014 <em>for yourself.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A little time that belongs to no one else.<br>Not your boss, not your family, not your country. Just you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s how you recharge.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And don\u2019t forget the three pillars beyond your job:<br><strong>Health. Spiritual life. Environment.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Spirituality doesn\u2019t mean religion \u2014 it\u2019s anything that connects you with your inner world, with something higher.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And \u201cenvironment\u201d doesn\u2019t mean your family or coworkers.<br>Ask yourself: <em>Who do I talk to outside work and home?<\/em><em><br><\/em> If the answer is \u201cno one,\u201d then you don\u2019t have an environment \u2014 and that\u2019s dangerous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because burnout begins when everything in your life revolves around the same closed loop: work\u2013home\u2013work. At first, you still care. Then you stop feeling joy. You\u2019re not suffering \u2014 just emotionally flat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You go to events, to stand-up shows, even charity ones, and everyone laughs \u2014 but you feel nothing. Before, you\u2019d laugh till your sides hurt; now, nothing moves inside. That\u2019s emotional dullness \u2014 the hallmark of burnout.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And then comes cynicism. You lose your ability to praise yourself. You don\u2019t even blame yourself \u2014 you just stop caring.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s when productivity collapses. And managers need to understand this: when your employees have no rest, no \u201coff\u201d time, you don\u2019t get loyalty \u2014 you get zombies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s the same in the army. There are no weekends, no days off. \u201cWe\u2019re at war \u2014 who rests?\u201d But without rest, people crack. That\u2019s why we need cultural and recreational programs even on the front \u2014 concerts, art therapy, anything to reboot the psyche.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because the worst burnout cases are in professions built on caring \u2014 doctors and teachers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The doctor who once said, \u201cI\u2019ll heal everyone!\u201d eventually sighs, \u201cThey all die anyway \u2014 take these pills.\u201d<br>The teacher who once loved kids now says, \u201cChildren are the worst thing on earth.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s not failure \u2014 that\u2019s burnout.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When that happens, it\u2019s time to <em>change fields<\/em>. Leave medicine, leave teaching, start something new. Go act, open a caf\u00e9, change the rhythm. Anything. But don\u2019t keep killing yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Studies show about 64% of the world\u2019s population experiences burnout in some form. There\u2019s no reliable Ukrainian data \u2014 war distorts everything \u2014 but it\u2019s definitely high.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can see it everywhere: even in Lviv, the \u201ccultural capital,\u201d there\u2019s quiet melancholy beneath the surface. We\u2019re all tired. But we can help ourselves by recognizing <strong>where we betrayed our own needs.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some go the opposite way \u2014 total self-focus, running from reality. But that\u2019s escapism, not healing. The healthy middle is living consciously \u2014 balancing care for others <em>with care for yourself.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And speaking of emotions \u2014 you asked about how burnout appears in folklore. That\u2019s fascinating, because our folklore is <em>overflowing<\/em> with emotions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Songs, fairy tales \u2014 they\u2019re built entirely on feeling. Love, anger, grief, murder \u2014 everything raw and alive.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Right! We were actually told a story by our consultant while filming <em>\u201cThe Magical World of Ukrainian Folklore.\u201d<\/em> She recalled how her grandmother once said:<br>\u201cNow you\u2019re all on your phones \u2014 but we used to be on songs.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s the same thing you mentioned about Reels. Today we scroll endlessly, but back then, people <em>sang.<\/em> They poured emotions out through melody.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And the beauty of folklore is that it\u2019s never fixed \u2014 there\u2019s no single \u201cofficial version.\u201d Anyone could add a line, change the rhythm, improvise. It was pure self-expression \u2014 and in many ways, the most ancient form of art therapy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019m from a small village in Zakarpattia, and everyone there sang. I can\u2019t vouch for the <em>quality<\/em> of those performances, but they sang \u2014 all the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In 2017, I was lucky enough to go to Switzerland with a group of veterans. The trip was organized by a Ukrainian hotel owner \u2014 himself a veteran of the Soviet-Afghan war. He said, \u201cYou can bring your guys, but they need a doctor and a psychologist.\u201d So they sent me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We agreed beforehand: we\u2019re veterans, we\u2019re guests in neutral Switzerland \u2014 so no alcohol, no nonsense, proper behavior. But on the last day the hotel owner said, \u201cCome on, guys, relax a little.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So we sat down, twelve of us, and one man \u2014 he was just over fifty \u2014 looked out at the mountains and said, \u201cThese mountains\u2026 so beautiful. Mind if I sing?\u201d<br>\u201cGo ahead,\u201d we said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He started quietly \u2014 <em>\u2018A pine tree was burning\u2026\u2019<\/em> \u2014 and one by one, everyone joined in. Even those who didn\u2019t know the words hummed along.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Soon our Swiss hosts \u2014 and a few Asian tourists, maybe Chinese \u2014 stopped to listen. Some even threw money at us, though we hadn\u2019t asked for it; we were just sitting outside at a long table, singing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No one planned it \u2014 it just <em>happened<\/em>. We were far from home, in Switzerland, and by day nine, you start missing something deeply Ukrainian inside you. Even when the conditions are perfect \u2014 your soul still longs for home.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s when you want to sing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For me, the best Ukrainian film ever made is <em>\u201cThe Lost Diploma.\u201d<\/em> I criticize a lot of Ukrainian cinema, but that one \u2014 it\u2019s pure gold. Because, as they say, <em>\u201cWhen a Cossack\u2019s soul cries \u2014 he sings.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And when I see our soldiers somewhere at the front humming or quietly singing, I think of that film. It\u2019s still relevant. Singing is how our souls breathe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ukrainians really are a singing nation \u2014 it shows on every level.<br>Let\u2019s stay on the topic of folklore and songs. Emotions are probably most vividly reflected in folk songs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Do people still sing at the front?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They do. Maybe not in the classic \u201ccampfire\u201d sense, but yes \u2014 people sing. It\u2019s usually spontaneous and personal, not organized.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Whoever grew up with singing carries it with them into war. For example, we have a woman in the brigade from western Ukraine \u2014 deeply religious \u2014 and she sings often. Nobody finds it strange or inappropriate. People may joke, but no one tells her to stop.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sometimes it\u2019s folk songs, sometimes something modern \u2014 whatever speaks to the person. It\u2019s a way of expressing emotion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You don\u2019t plan it. It just happens when it needs to. I think that\u2019s part of how we keep this tradition alive \u2014 and it\u2019ll become even stronger when people come back from the front.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because music\u2026 it\u2019s rhythm and vibration. Everything in us is rhythmic \u2014 heartbeat, breath, the cycles of life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And vibration \u2014 well, that\u2019s deeply connected to war. Explosions, gunfire \u2014 they\u2019re all vibrations. Music, on the other hand, uses those same vibrations to either ground you in reality or carry you away from it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So when we sing, or tap a rhythm, or hum a tune \u2014 we <em>regain control<\/em> of the vibration. We become the source of rhythm again. The psyche feels it and says, \u201cI\u2019m back in charge.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When you can\u2019t express grief, joy, sadness, or hope \u2014 creativity becomes the safest place to put it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That goes back even to ancient times \u2014 to shamanic practices, where rhythm played a sacred role.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Exactly. Ancient \u2014 but still alive. Even in church. It\u2019s all based on rhythm, on collective resonance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Of course, rhythm can be used manipulatively too \u2014 and it often is. Think of a crowd shouting, <em>\u201cSlava Ukraini!\u201d<\/em> and the instant, unified <em>\u201cHeroyam Slava!\u201d<\/em> reply. That\u2019s rhythm, call-and-response. A form of emotional synchronization.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You could shout something random \u2014 like \u201cSquare root of forty-seven!\u201d \u2014 and people would pause for a calculator. But shout \u201cGlory to Ukraine!\u201d and the whole crowd reacts in perfect unison. That\u2019s power.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And we use it consciously \u2014 in rallies, training centers, public events. Singing the anthem together, for example, aligns everyone\u2019s emotions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Not every soldier can sing well, but collective singing still works. There was even a study: soldiers were divided into groups, each given different songs. Those who sang \u201cHey, let\u2019s pour the cups full\u201d \u2014 their alcohol consumption rose significantly! It wasn\u2019t deliberate \u2014 the rhythm and lyrics themselves shaped group behavior.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So yes \u2014 what you sing matters. The music you choose <em>affects who you become.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Listen to garbage \u2014 and you\u2019ll feel like garbage. Listen to something uplifting \u2014 and you rise a little higher.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you say, \u201cI don\u2019t like music,\u201d it just means you haven\u2019t found <em>your<\/em> music yet.<br>And if you truly can\u2019t find it \u2014 then create your own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The same goes for life: if you don\u2019t like what you see \u2014 build something better. Don\u2019t just complain that the government is corrupt, or that people are stupid, or history is unfair.<br><em>Be<\/em> the history. Shape it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s the same with music \u2014 and with folklore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You mentioned manipulation. Are emotional people easier to manipulate?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In some ways, yes \u2014 because emotions make you open. But there are limits. People who suppress emotion are harder to manipulate \u2014 yet they also struggle more socially.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s where <strong>emotional intelligence<\/strong> comes in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We all know IQ \u2014 rational intelligence. But EQ, emotional intelligence, is just as real and just as vital. Without emotions, people can\u2019t connect \u2014 they can\u2019t form relationships or function in society. There\u2019s even a clinical disorder where people have almost no emotional response. Such individuals can\u2019t empathize, can\u2019t bond. It\u2019s tragic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">EQ varies from person to person, but unlike IQ, it can actually be developed \u2014 though it takes work. Emotional intelligence is flexible, adaptive, trainable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Before, no one taught it. Success used to depend only on hard skills \u2014 what tools or techniques you mastered.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But now? Soft skills rule. Even chefs today \u2014 it\u2019s not enough to cook well. You must communicate, manage people, understand costs, negotiate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you\u2019re brilliant but toxic \u2014 your talent won\u2019t save you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s why even geniuses need mediators \u2014 people who can connect them to others and make their work reach the world. Without emotional intelligence, even genius remains isolated.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Just to remind our audience \u2014 today on <em>Archetype of the Nation<\/em> we\u2019re talking about emotionality with military psychologist <strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong>.<br>Let\u2019s take a step back to a more personal scale. You once said that when you were choosing your career path, you were torn between becoming a <em>military psychologist<\/em> and a <em>political scientist.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No, I didn\u2019t plan to become a translator. Political science was just one of the options on the list. I didn\u2019t get into translation studies because\u2014well, let\u2019s say I didn\u2019t have enough money for a bribe. It was a rough year, 2002.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My next question is partly psychological, partly political. If we talk about emotionality on a national level, we can recall many recent examples of emotional reactions from Ukraine in the international arena. Do you think our emotionality as a nation helps us, or is it more of a drawback that we should learn to handle more carefully?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Great question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We can\u2019t <em>not<\/em> be emotional. We can try to act composed, professional, diplomatic\u2014but no one will really believe that\u2019s who we are.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Take, for instance, that meeting in the Oval Office. When people attacked Volodymyr Oleksandrovych (Zelenskyi) verbally, he stayed calm. Every Ukrainian watching thought, \u201cMy God, how restrained he is! I would\u2019ve torn that place apart, spat, and walked out.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Afterward, the diplomat who was with him said they had to cancel the press conference\u2014because it was impossible to stay composed. That\u2019s emotion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Everyone reacts differently, of course. The key is that our emotions must <em>work for us.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If our emotionality helps us express authenticity\u2014great. People believe us then. But if it turns into unchecked impulsivity, it can backfire.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Look at how people respond to someone like an 80-year-old academic, a lifelong scholar, who suddenly sings or dances. Everyone\u2019s amazed: \u201cWow, he\u2019s alive!\u201d Because emotion makes truth visible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So yes, we need to be emotional\u2014but consciously so. Neuroscience says emotions come from the limbic system, and when that system activates, everything else \u201cshuts down.\u201d That\u2019s not entirely true; we can still manage it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I remember a story from before the full-scale war. There\u2019s a well-known veteran-run pizzeria in Kyiv where police officers often stop by to eat. Once, during their lunch break, a few officers sat down in uniform, weapons holstered, just having pizza. And someone came up and said, \u201cHow can you sit here eating while someone\u2019s being robbed?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s how people perceive emotion\u2014they expect constant tension, constant performance. The idea that police officers could be calm, or smile, or take a break seems almost wrong to them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And that\u2019s why, for example, Ukrainians often struggle to accept a cheerful president or a joking public figure. \u201cHow dare he smile during war?\u201d we think.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So, there\u2019s a balance. We shouldn\u2019t turn into cold, detached Nordics\u2014but we also shouldn\u2019t go full southern-Mediterranean drama.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We just need to stay <em>Ukrainian.<\/em> That\u2019s our strength.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cRemaining Ukrainians\u201d \u2014 that\u2019s a powerful phrase. I\u2019d like to ask about your military experience. You\u2019ve been a military psychologist since 2014. Has the attitude toward psychologists in the army changed during this time?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because in civilian life, unlike in Europe or the U.S., seeing a psychologist wasn\u2019t really \u201cnormal\u201d for a long time. It\u2019s starting to change now. How is it within the Armed Forces?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The legacy of Soviet punitive psychiatry still lingers\u2014it left deep scars. Attitudes toward psychologists are improving, but not completely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Why is there a military psychologist in the army? Because where there are people, there are emotions\u2014and where there are emotions, there should be someone who helps manage them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A good psychologist in the military isn\u2019t distant or clinical. He\u2019s one of us. He can joke, swear, listen, and talk like a human being. That\u2019s what matters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We never force ourselves on anyone. If a soldier doesn\u2019t want to talk about home, fine\u2014we talk about something else. Respect comes first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Things are improving, but slowly. The main drivers of this change are young people. For them, going to therapy isn\u2019t weird\u2014it\u2019s normal. Taking care of mental health is part of their worldview.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I\u2019m not even advocating for psychologists specifically\u2014I\u2019m advocating for <em>mental health.<\/em> Because if you ignore that, you\u2019re done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Compared to 2014, I\u2019d say the number of requests for psychological support has increased tenfold. That\u2019s still not enough, but the positive trend is clear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The structure is evolving too. We\u2019ve formed <strong>combat stress control groups<\/strong>, specialized psychological units. We\u2019re even talking about creating <strong>supervision programs for military psychologists<\/strong>\u2014a kind of mentorship where a psychologist can safely discuss difficult cases without breaking confidentiality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That doesn\u2019t exist yet, but it\u2019s coming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019re actually progressing faster than the Americans did. They only started addressing combat stress seriously after Vietnam\u2014and even more actively after 2001, post-Iraq. Their system moves slowly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019m not entirely happy with our pace either, or with how higher-ups treat the field. There\u2019s strong public demand for mental-health support\u2014especially for veterans\u2014but from the top, not enough recognition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, things are moving.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I honestly believe Ukraine can become a pioneer in psychological practice\u2014teaching NATO, not just learning from it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s like with drones. The Americans recently bragged about their first successful drone drop. One of our guys just laughed, \u201cWe\u2019ve been doing that for years.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Same with psychology: we\u2019re forced to innovate fast. Three years of full-scale war push people beyond endurance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Think about it \u2014 you consciously step into a danger zone, knowing the odds of being killed are high. That\u2019s not suicidal. That\u2019s an act of values. You do it to protect your family, your way of life, something sacred.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Some people do it consciously, others instinctively \u2014 but that\u2019s where deep psychology lives.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, you can\u2019t fix everything with one brilliant psychologist parachuted into a broken unit. If the commander\u2019s toxic, if fuel\u2019s being stolen, if morale\u2019s rotten \u2014 no therapist will save that alone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It has to be systemic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And that\u2019s what we lack most \u2014 <em>system.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The U.S. isn\u2019t necessarily better in quality, but they have structure. They know where each piece fits. We often just react emotionally \u2014 \u201cThey sent us there? Fine, we\u2019ll figure it out later.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What we need now is to add <em>meaning<\/em> to our emotions \u2014 to structure them, to make them work <em>for<\/em> us, not against us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No, I\u2019m not a translator \u2014 political science was just on the list of options. I didn\u2019t get into translation because, well, back then it required \u201cextra motivation.\u201d It was a terrible year \u2014 2002.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now my question is partly psychological, partly political. If we talk about our emotionality as a nation, we can recall plenty of recent examples \u2014 emotional reactions at the international level. Do you think our emotionality helps us as a nation, or is it more of a weakness that we should manage more wisely?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We can\u2019t completely control our emotions. We can pretend a bit \u2014 \u201cLook how professional and restrained we are\u201d \u2014 but no one really buys it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Remember the Oval Office case, when people attacked Volodymyr Zelenskyi? Ukrainians watched and said, \u201cWow, how calm he is.\u201d Meanwhile, most of us would\u2019ve flipped the table, cursed, and stormed out.<br>Even the diplomat who accompanied him said they canceled the press conference afterward \u2014 because it was emotionally impossible to go on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s emotion. And the key is to make sure our emotions <em>serve us.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We won\u2019t get far by suppressing them, but pure emotionalism isn\u2019t the answer either. The trick is balance \u2014 to let emotion express authenticity. People believe you when you\u2019re real.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Look at those 80-year-old professors who spent a lifetime buried in books, and suddenly they start singing or dancing \u2014 and everyone\u2019s delighted. Emotion makes truth visible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So yes, emotion is important, but it needs direction. Neuroscience says emotions live in the limbic system \u2014 and when it\u2019s active, rational thinking shuts down. That\u2019s not entirely true; you can still manage it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Once, at a well-known veteran pizzeria in Kyiv, I saw police officers having lunch in uniform. Someone came up and said, \u201cHow can you eat when someone\u2019s being robbed right now?\u201d<br>That\u2019s how distorted our view of emotion is \u2014 we expect people to be tense all the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The same goes for leaders. We struggle to accept a president who jokes, or an official who smiles. We think: \u201cThere\u2019s a war on \u2014 how dare he laugh?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So no, we don\u2019t need to become cold Nordics \u2014 but we also don\u2019t need to act like hyper-dramatic Mediterraneans. We just need to stay <em>Ukrainian.<\/em> That\u2019s where the strength lies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cRemaining Ukrainians\u201d \u2014 I like that phrase. Speaking of which, you\u2019ve been a military psychologist since 2014. Has the attitude toward psychologists in the army changed since then?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The legacy of Soviet punitive psychiatry still lingers. The attitude\u2019s better now, but not perfect.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Why is there a psychologist in the army? Because where there are people, there are emotions. And where there are emotions, you need someone to help process them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A good psychologist isn\u2019t some detached specialist. He\u2019s one of us \u2014 he can joke, curse, listen, talk. That\u2019s what makes soldiers trust him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And we never push. If someone doesn\u2019t want to talk about home \u2014 fine, we talk about something else. Respect comes first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Things are improving, mostly thanks to young people. For them, mental health is normal \u2014 part of their routine. I\u2019m not even promoting psychologists \u2014 I\u2019m promoting <em>mental health.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Compared to 2014, the number of people seeking help has grown tenfold. That\u2019s still not enough, but the dynamic is positive.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019ve built <strong>combat-stress control groups<\/strong>, new <strong>psychological units<\/strong>, and we\u2019re working on <strong>supervision programs<\/strong> \u2014 so military psychologists can consult each other safely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019re developing faster than the Americans did. They started only after Vietnam \u2014 and seriously only after 2001.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Still, our system isn\u2019t perfect. The higher-ups don\u2019t always see us or support us enough. There\u2019s huge public demand for psychological help \u2014 especially for veterans \u2014 but too little recognition from above.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yet we\u2019re moving fast. I truly believe Ukraine can become a pioneer in military psychology \u2014 teaching others instead of just learning.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s like drones. Americans proudly announced their \u201cfirst successful drone drop.\u201d Our guys just laughed \u2014 we\u2019ve been doing that for years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Same with psychology: we innovate because we must. Three years of full-scale war push people past endurance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Think about it \u2014 you consciously step into danger, knowing you might die. That\u2019s not suicidal; it\u2019s a choice based on values: family, freedom, life itself. And you decide it\u2019s worth it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But no single psychologist can fix a broken unit. If a commander\u2019s toxic, if corruption is rampant, if there\u2019s no trust \u2014 no therapy will work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It has to be <em>systemic.<\/em> That\u2019s what we still lack \u2014 a system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The U.S. isn\u2019t better in quality, but they have structure. We often act impulsively \u2014 \u201cLet\u2019s go, we\u2019ll figure it out later.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What we need now is to add <em>meaning<\/em> to that emotion \u2014 to make it work <em>for<\/em> us, not against us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Well, system is rationality \u2014 but in Ukraine, emotion still rules.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Exactly. That\u2019s the point. It\u2019s not just about songs or creativity \u2014 emotionality runs through <em>everything<\/em> in our lives.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From childhood we\u2019re taught to suppress it. A baby sits \u2014 everyone cheers. Walks \u2014 everyone claps. Runs \u2014 everyone yells, \u201cDon\u2019t run! Don\u2019t shout!\u201d Adrenaline becomes forbidden.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Even in school \u2014 you\u2019re too quiet, they ask \u201cWhy so sad?\u201d You\u2019re too loud, they tell you to calm down. We learn to mute ourselves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We need to unlearn that \u2014 to support each other instead of policing each other\u2019s emotions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because we also have this \u201cideal Ukrainian\u201d image \u2014 how one should behave, what one should be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Right. Calm, composed, respectable. But there\u2019s no universal standard for a Ukrainian \u2014 we\u2019re diverse. We shouldn\u2019t idealize ourselves; we should just keep improving.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And yet, it\u2019s always about \u201cWhat will people say?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Exactly. My grandmother used to say that too. \u201cWhat will the neighbors think?\u201d It\u2019s such a Ukrainian thing.<br>And that\u2019s where the childhood trauma begins \u2014 but trauma\u2019s not always bad. Without it, you\u2019d never learn to overcome anything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Can someone actually learn to manage emotions, or does it always require a psychologist?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can absolutely learn it yourself. What matters most is <em>beliefs.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you prefer YouTube \u2014 fine, as long as you\u2019re watching something credible and evidence-based, not \u201cchakra alignment\u201d nonsense. A psychologist is just a faster, safer route.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Emotional management isn\u2019t about suppressing or exaggerating feelings \u2014 it\u2019s about awareness. Appreciating what\u2019s here and now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When you start asking yourself, \u201cWhy am I suddenly sad for no reason?\u201d or \u201cWhy do I feel joy out of nowhere?\u201d \u2014 you\u2019re already practicing mindfulness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A psychologist simply helps you make sense of it faster and safer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ideally, you should find a psychologist <em>before<\/em> you\u2019re in crisis. Go for one or two sessions just to see how it feels. If it\u2019s comfortable \u2014 great. You\u2019ll know who to call when things get hard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Trying to learn everything alone is tough because it feels too simple. You think, \u201cWhy am I anxious? Everything\u2019s fine.\u201d But your brain remembers \u2014 previous experiences, self-esteem issues, fears.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A psychologist is like a mirror with good lighting \u2014 you see what\u2019s actually there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Your mom will say, \u201cYou\u2019re beautiful.\u201d<br>Your psychologist will say, \u201cYes, but let\u2019s also look at that little pimple.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Both are necessary \u2014 but the second one helps you grow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You\u2019re clearly an emotional person \u2014 anyone watching or listening can tell. What emotion are you feeling right now, during this conversation?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You know, I really enjoy this kind of conversation. It\u2019s a quiet joy. Because despite all our emotionality as Ukrainians, we don\u2019t actually like talking about emotions. For some reason, it seems that being emotional means being frivolous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And given that I mostly work with military personnel, you can\u2019t really get your point across if you start using academic terms \u2014 talking about neurons, adrenal glands, or nervous responses. Someone will joke about it, someone will say, \u201cDon\u2019t get too smart.\u201d It\u2019s a different audience.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s why I like to talk about these unpopular things \u2014 because they\u2019re important. Why? Because emotions are with us every single day. I genuinely enjoy talking about this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We created this project to talk about values that define Ukrainians. Personally, I think it\u2019s crucial to have these conversations \u2014 to talk to different people who each have their own perspective.<br>Write in the comments what you think about it. It\u2019s really important for us to understand who we are, what we are, and what we can become \u2014 not only what we are now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And a question for you \u2014 how do people around you react to your emotions? Or to your lack of them? Some people support you, others get annoyed. Some are angry that you express them at all.<br>Write to us \u2014 we\u2019ll read it. We\u2019re curious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, the final part \u2014 a Blitz interview. Seven short questions, seven short answers for Andrii. Although, it\u2019s fine if they\u2019re not so short.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What quality do you value most in people?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Openness and sincerity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And which one do you consider the worst?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Closedness and insincerity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What inspires you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019m inspired by the people I live and work with \u2014 by the small, everyday acts of kindness that don\u2019t even seem heroic.<br>I love seeing a mother hug her crying child instead of yelling at them. I love seeing people go to a shelter during an air raid \u2014 because \u201cshelter\u201d means a missile is flying toward you right now. And they take their cat with them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My mother has spent nights in the subway several times because we live in Lukianivka. It breaks my heart that she\u2019s there \u2014 it\u2019s wrong. But she tells me proudly, \u201cI had a dog sleeping next to me tonight.\u201d She even takes photos with the owners\u2019 permission.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I love these small acts of humanity. I love it when a 57-year-old man calls his wife \u2014 who\u2019s not young either \u2014 and says, \u201cI love you.\u201d Without embarrassment.<br>Those are the things I live for. No matter how much Ukrainians struggle, there are always ten times more of these micro-acts of goodness. I see them every day, and they give meaning to everything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Our biggest existential questions are answered in those tiny moments. And I\u2019m deeply inspired by young people \u2014 even though I can\u2019t stand most of the music they listen to. I say that as an old crank. But the way they grow and develop \u2014 I might not understand them, but I feel they\u2019re better than us. I\u2019m forty, so I can say that now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They didn\u2019t understand me when I was young either \u2014 that\u2019s how it goes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What scares you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019m afraid that all of this could end up being for nothing.<br>That\u2019s my biggest fear. I can\u2019t speak for all soldiers \u2014 only for myself. I\u2019m afraid that everything we\u2019re doing might be wasted.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And I don\u2019t just mean in the literal military sense, or through the Russian narrative. The essence of victory isn\u2019t only in defeating or expelling the enemy.<br>Victory means creating a safe space \u2014 when you can walk down the street without fear. When you can let your child play outside and the worst thing you worry about is a scraped knee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I fear that after the war \u2014 after our victory \u2014 we\u2019ll still carry aggression, distrust, cynicism, and trauma. Things won\u2019t magically become smooth again, but there should at least be progress.<br>And I fear that all of it \u2014 everything \u2014 could be in vain. I push those thoughts away and do what I can to prevent it. But that fear is always there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What keeps you going in difficult times?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My people. The ones I fight alongside. My family. My mother. The people around me \u2014 they\u2019re the best in the world. They give me faith.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I run a psycho-educational channel \u2014 we talk about mental health and life. Sometimes I think about quitting. Because, you know, I\u2019m a soldier, a psychologist, a blogger \u2014 who am I even?<br>But then I\u2019ll read a comment: \u201cMr. Andrii, I listened to your advice and talked to my husband \u2014 thank you, it really helped.\u201d Or someone writes, \u201cI didn\u2019t know how to deal with my daughter,\u201d and we talk, and she realizes she needs to take care of herself first \u2014 and then the daughter gets better.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s when I know \u2014 it\u2019s not in vain. My faith in people is built on people.<br>But you know, faith in people also means expectations, and reality doesn\u2019t always match. Still, the people I serve with \u2014 my unit, my brothers and sisters \u2014 they\u2019re incredible. The best people in the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They probably don\u2019t even realize how much their words and actions mean to me. I try to tell them, but still \u2014 they have no idea. We\u2019ve been through so much together over these three and a half years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sometimes the hardest moments weren\u2019t about criticism \u2014 they were about someone\u2019s support. Not praise, just quiet, sincere support. And I often feel guilty that I can\u2019t support them as strongly as they support me. I wish I could learn that skill from them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">They never studied psychology, they just know how to care \u2014 from experience. And that\u2019s what keeps me going.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I want people to become just one percent healthier \u2014 mentally \u2014 than they are now. No more, no less. Because if I aim for more, I won\u2019t have time for myself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If that happens \u2014 if someone just picks up one good habit \u2014 that\u2019s enough. Drink more water.<br>Even if I haven\u2019t achieved anything else, but a hundred thousand people who\u2019ve watched me now drink 10% more water \u2014 then my life wasn\u2019t in vain.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I used to want to save the world, to preserve Ukraine and its national code. But now? If I can simply help someone love themselves a little more \u2014 just a little \u2014 my mission will be complete.<br>I\u2019m still far from that mission, but that\u2019s the direction I\u2019m walking in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you had to choose three words that describe Ukrainians as a nation, what would they be?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Wow. Hmm\u2026 yes, as a nation.<br>How do I put this in Ukrainian? Unstoppable. Yes \u2014 unstoppable, relentless.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Look how many times others \u2014 Moldova, Georgia, Chechnya \u2014 have been stopped, held back, silenced. And all the \u201ccivilized\u201d countries would say, <em>\u201cYou should\u2019ve taken cover.\u201d<\/em> But we didn\u2019t. We keep going. We are relentless.<br>That\u2019s the first word.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The second is harder to define. It\u2019s this trait \u2014 when something terrible happens, we turn it into humor, into black humor, or even into a song.<br>It\u2019s a kind of projection \u2014 not in the sense of making <em>projects<\/em>, but of transforming pain into something else.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And the third \u2014 no matter what people say \u2014 is that we are united. Maybe not always in the grand political sense, but deeply united on the human level.<br>Family, friendship, community \u2014 these are sacred to us. Not in the sense of \u201csocial benefits\u201d or \u201cwelfare,\u201d but in the sense that we care what others think, what our neighbors say. It matters to us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That old lady with her garden \u2014 she may not even like her neighbor, but she still says, \u201cGood afternoon, Petrovna,\u201d \u201cHello, Olegivna.\u201d That\u2019s who we are \u2014 social, connected.<br>So those are my three words. You could add more, of course \u2014 there\u2019s a lot to unpack here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s hard to explain such deep processes simply. But the first thing \u2014 the most defining \u2014 is that we just don\u2019t give up.<br>If it were anyone else, they\u2019d have surrendered long ago. Even our leaders, our officials \u2014 they might not always be perfect, but they know one thing for sure: they\u2019re always watching what <em>the people<\/em> will say. Always.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And that\u2019s amazing. Because there are countries \u2014 and I won\u2019t name them, since I love your channel \u2014 where no one cares what the people say. Someone might make a statement, and everyone just shrugs, \u201cEh, whatever.\u201d<br>But not in Ukraine. You can\u2019t fool Ukrainians like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Well \u2014 actually, you <em>can<\/em> deceive us sometimes, it happens. You can fool a soldier, maybe, but not for long. Ukrainians are not naive.<br>Especially soldiers \u2014 they\u2019re sharp. They see through you. You might trick one of them once, but never twice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So yes, you might fool a Ukrainian with a cheap loan or a flashy promise, but you\u2019ll never fool <em>all<\/em> of us.<br>And that old stereotype \u2014 that Ukrainians are greedy, or that we undermine each other \u2014 that\u2019s outdated nonsense. It\u2019s not true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We\u2019re an intelligent nation. I just hope we start doing more for ourselves, not only for others.<br>Because sometimes, our generosity goes too far \u2014 the mom giving her best cutlet to her child instead of eating it herself, buying the nicest thing for someone else but never for herself.<br>We need to learn that it\u2019s okay to do something for <em>ourselves<\/em>, too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you. We\u2019ve talked a lot about folklore today. Have you ever listened to Ukrainian folk songs and analyzed them as a psychologist \u2014 to understand what emotions or traits of the Ukrainian character they express?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Honestly, no. I\u2019ve read and watched some reviews. There\u2019s even a great Ukrainian YouTube channel where people analyze songs really well.<br>And one of my classmates has written about music. But personally, I\u2019ve never done that \u2014 I\u2019m a serious military psychologist, after all. <em>[laughs]<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Great! Then today\u2019s your chance.<br>Because we have a segment in our program called <em>\u201cThe Folklore Chest.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Inside this folklore chest are songs.<br>Please, put on your headphones. The rules are simple \u2014 you don\u2019t have to sing (thank God, your followers will be relieved). Just listen to each song and tell me what emotion you hear in it \u2014 what it conveys to you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Alright, but fair warning \u2014 I\u2019ll be talking about the emotion <em>I<\/em> feel, not some textbook interpretation. Because if a real folklore expert hears this, they\u2019ll tear me to pieces. <em>[laughs]<\/em><em><br><\/em> But I\u2019ll say honestly what I feel \u2014 and I think I\u2019ll mostly guess right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Okay, let\u2019s go.<br>I love this format \u2014 it\u2019s simple and fun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Most Ukrainian folk songs aren\u2019t about grand events or epic moments \u2014 they\u2019re about everyday life. And life was hard.<br>But within that hardship, people still found joy. Like in the song about the well \u2014 it\u2019s not about <em>a well<\/em>, but <em>a little well.<\/em> Not just <em>water<\/em>, but <em>a bit of water.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s always work \u2014 but within that work, there\u2019s the joy of being alive.<br>If you listen to the rhythm, it\u2019s cheerful, light. If you focus on the lyrics, it\u2019s about struggle \u2014 but also about transforming that struggle into something beautiful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s what it is for me \u2014 a sublimation of hard labor into joy.<br>Simple, real, joyful moments of life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Interesting. Next one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cTime flows like a river\u2026 how did I meet you, my bird?\u201d<br>Oh, I\u2019ve listened to this song hundreds of times \u2014 it was incredibly popular in my region, Prykarpattia. My grandfather loved it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think Hnatiuk sang it, right? I didn\u2019t even realize it was a folk song.<br>It\u2019s not about grief \u2014 it\u2019s about gentle sadness, nostalgia. About remembering something beautiful that\u2019s already gone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The person in the song has finally experienced the best moment of their life \u2014 the one they searched for a long time \u2014 but now it\u2019s only a memory.<br>It\u2019s lyrical, tender, emotional. Ukrainians have so much lyricism in their creativity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Even though we have Cossack epics and heroic ballads, most of our songs are lyrical \u2014 filled with emotion, sensitivity, and longing.<br>It\u2019s a soft, lyrical sadness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you. Next one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You know what a <em>classic<\/em> is? It\u2019s something that doesn\u2019t lose its meaning over time. I don\u2019t know how old this song is, but it\u2019s still completely relevant.<br>I\u2019d say it\u2019s at least 200 years old. There\u2019s disappointment in it, yes \u2014 but it\u2019s a <em>productive<\/em> disappointment. It ends in quiet hurt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">And yet \u2014 my God \u2014 how relevant it still is today. We\u2019ve got Wi-Fi, advanced tech, electric cars, drones flying everywhere\u2026 and nothing has changed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nothing has changed when it comes to emotions. That\u2019s the constant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Exactly. This is probably the most beautiful emotion there is. Being in love, actually, is often classified as a kind of mental disorder \u2014 because you\u2019re illogical, distracted, unproductive.<br>Your sleep schedule changes, your appetite changes. You\u2019re not yourself. But that euphoria \u2014 it\u2019s something unique.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In this song, if we talk about emotions, it\u2019s not about passion \u2014 not about sex or physicality. It\u2019s about that quiet trembling inside, that tender spark.<br>And it\u2019s dangerous because you kind of encode it within yourself. You don\u2019t even admit it openly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you later face disappointment \u2014 it\u2019s because you kept it hidden. But before that happens, there\u2019s this state of soft fascination: <em>She\u2019s amazing, she\u2019s perfect, she can even smoke and down a shot like no one else.<\/em><em><br><\/em> People warn you \u2014 \u201cShe\u2019s an alcoholic.\u201d You say \u2014 \u201cShut up, you don\u2019t know her.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s what quiet love feels like. And when you get older, you start to miss that. Because later, when you date someone, you start overthinking \u2014 <em>What\u2019s her situation? Divorced? Has a kid?<\/em><em><br><\/em> There\u2019s no more pure infatuation. Back then, you just thought \u2014 <em>She\u2019s perfect.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This song captures that.<br>It\u2019s classic sadness \u2014 when something happens, not catastrophic, but you\u2019re simply not okay with it. You can\u2019t change it, it\u2019s already in the past.<br>That\u2019s sadness \u2014 the awareness of something that\u2019s gone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By the way, sadness can also come from self-doubt: <em>I\u2019m not perfect.<\/em> But that\u2019s fine. We have so much of this in our folklore \u2014 and thank God it\u2019s expressed there.<br>Never bottle up your grief. Speak it. Say, <em>I\u2019m sad.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In fact, we mentioned today that every emotion has already been sung before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yes, exactly. I\u2019ve heard this next one more times than I can count \u2014 maybe eight hundred thousand. Because at every feast, someone would start: <em>\u201cOh, two oaks stood on the mountain\u2026\u201d<\/em> And everyone joined in.<br>A real folk song \u2014 light, playful, full of life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That line \u2014 <em>\u201cAnd I, my mother\u2019s daughter, was taught to kiss\u2026\u201d<\/em> \u2014 I used to imagine it vividly. <em>Who taught her? On what \u2014 tomatoes?<\/em> <em>[laughs]<\/em><em><br><\/em> And that guy \u2014 he could go out walking all alone if he wanted.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s joyful, flirtatious, youthful \u2014 unlike the old folks at my table singing it. The tempo\u2019s lively, full of energy.<br>Back then, it annoyed me because I didn\u2019t get it. I\u2019d sit there suffering while everyone sang happily.<br>But now I even like it. I\u2019ve even sung it sober once \u2014 and it felt great.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Then there\u2019s the one about soldiers, about Cossack spirit. I wouldn\u2019t call it a march \u2014 a bit slower than that, maybe 120 bpm \u2014 but still, it\u2019s about the army, about victory.<br>Not overly deep or reflective \u2014 just a song that gives you drive. Powerful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Though strangely, I\u2019ve heard it most often in Russian movies. They use it all the time. Which is ironic \u2014 because it\u2019s deeply Ukrainian.<br>It\u2019s about the mystery of the female soul \u2014 unpredictable, complicated.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What once seemed chaotic or \u201cimmoral\u201d \u2014 like a woman who cheats or complains \u2014 now reads as deeply human, full of nuance.<br>There\u2019s a lot of humor in it \u2014 an acceptance that love and relationships are never ideal, but that\u2019s okay.<br>No heavy tragedy \u2014 just playful imperfection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Although, I do remember one that shocked me as a kid \u2014 with lyrics like <em>\u201cDie, my dear, die.\u201d<\/em><em><br><\/em> And everyone sang it laughing! I couldn\u2019t understand it. It seemed so dark \u2014 <em>Why are they all dying?<\/em><em><br><\/em> But that\u2019s our culture \u2014 mixing humor with horror, pain with joy. Even beheadings and heartbreaks were turned into something to sing about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So yes, this playlist really hit me \u2014 it brought me straight back to childhood. Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you \u2014 these are fascinating insights, and very emotional ones.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Well, how else can you talk about Ukrainian songs?<br>If you take them seriously, you realize how deep they are. And yes, there are scholars who\u2019ve written detailed analyses of their meanings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But our goal here isn\u2019t a scientific discussion \u2014 it\u2019s to keep you, our viewers and listeners, interested and inspired.<br>So, if you enjoyed this episode, don\u2019t forget \u2014 your support matters.<br>Write in the comments what resonated with you, which songs you know, and what emotions they evoke.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Andriy, I have one more task for you. It\u2019s art-therapeutic \u2014 something I think you\u2019ll appreciate.<br>Here\u2019s a sheet with four empty circles \u2014 and a marker.<br>Draw whatever you want inside. Then we\u2019ll \u201canalyze\u201d your creativity. <em>[laughs]<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Oh, I\u2019ve got <em>plenty<\/em> of creative abilities! <em>[laughs]<\/em><em><br><\/em> Actually, I love art therapy \u2014 not so much as a practice I use professionally, but as something that genuinely helps with emotional regulation and sleep disorders.<br>I\u2019m not an art therapist, though \u2014 so for me, it\u2019s just doodles and symbols that reflect what I\u2019m feeling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Basically, these are different emotions shown at different times in life.<br>The worst thing is when \u2014 and I mean worst for the <em>person<\/em>, not for us \u2014 when all these emotions pile up inside: joy, sadness, grief, isolation.<br>When you shut down, withdraw, stop expressing anything \u2014 that\u2019s when you lose the most.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That\u2019s why learning to express emotions is crucial.<br>The great thing about art therapy is that there\u2019s no <em>wrong<\/em> way to do it.<br>You can interpret it however you like. And if you struggle to express something verbally \u2014 go to an art therapist and do it non-verbally.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Is art therapy used during the war?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yes, but mostly for veterans \u2014 and especially for children. It\u2019s incredibly helpful.<br>People often underestimate art therapists \u2014 <em>\u201cThey just draw, dance, sculpt.\u201d<\/em> But it\u2019s no joke.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I had a case \u2014 a man with severe sleep problems. He\u2019d been mixing alcohol with sleeping pills, barely resting, no deep sleep at all.<br>An art therapist came, had him paint, sculpt, dance \u2014 and after twelve days, he was sleeping deeply. Twelve days!<br>I joked that she must be so boring she put him to sleep. <em>[laughs]<\/em> But she said, <em>\u201cYou just don\u2019t get it.\u201d<\/em> And she was right.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Art therapists are amazing people \u2014 positive, calm, healing.<br>And if someone had a bad experience with a psychologist, I always say \u2014 it\u2019s like a bad relationship. You just didn\u2019t find the right match.<br>That\u2019s why people try different approaches \u2014 CBT, body-oriented, systemic \u2014 and art therapy is officially among the methods recommended by the Ministry of Health.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because it works. It\u2019s not just talking \u2014 it\u2019s creation, it\u2019s process.<br>So yes \u2014 find yourself, and find a therapist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Andriy, thank you so much for today\u2019s conversation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you for inviting me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Nik Lysytskiy<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Friends, today our guest was <strong>Andrii Kozinchuk<\/strong> \u2014 military psychologist and officer of the <strong>67th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine<\/strong>.<br>Share in the comments what insights you gained from this talk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Do you think emotionality is one of the core values of the Ukrainian people?<br>Do emotions and feelings truly prevail over rationality in our national character?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A reminder: you can watch episodes of <em>\u201cArchetype of the Nation\u201d<\/em> on YouTube, listen to them on your favorite podcast platforms, and read them on the website <strong>magicworld.com.ua<\/strong>.<br>There, you\u2019ll also find popular science essays prepared by folklorist <strong>Maryna Demediuk<\/strong>, along with recordings of folk works performed by well-known Ukrainian actors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you for watching \u2014 and see you next time.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Guest of the episode: military psychologist and deputy commander of the engineering and sapper company for moral and psychological support within the engineering support group of the 67th Mechanized Brigade, Andrii Kozinchuk. 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